Lolly Daskal: Leading with Competence and Capability

Lolly Daskal: Leading with Competence and Capability

2017-08-18T13:19:35+00:00 August 2nd, 2017|Podcast|

My guest on the Disrupt Yourself Podcast is Lolly Daskal, a top-notch executive coach to Fortune 500 CEOs and the like, business strategist and author of the newly published The Leadership Gap. We had a great conversation about the interrelationship between capability, competence and confidence.

What’s the difference?

We were talking about one of the leadership archetypes that Lolly articulates in The Leadership Gap—the Rebel—a type of leader that many of us feel the desire to be. The Rebel, says Lolly, “is someone who wants to change the world; wants to make an impact on the world in a truly significant way.” Sound familiar to you? Sound like you? Listen on.

“Most people say, ‘Well, you need to have confidence,’ Lolly says. “But people, I think, misunderstand what confidence is.”

It’s more than just catch phrases and mantras. Confidence isn’t a marketing ploy.

“Confidence truly is—and this is the equation—competence plus capability will give you confidence.”

Capability: innate ability and/or talents. Competence: learned, acquired and/or developed abilities and talents. Don’t say, ‘I’m confident;’ get competent and then you’ll be confident. When you’re competent, the belief that you’re able is succeeded by knowing that you’re able; it’s a much more empowering platform from which to act. “When you know you’re able that’s where the disruptor happens; that’s when the rebel really happens.”

The bottom line?

“Always be mastering more in order to get that confidence because the world is changing fast and to be a disruptor, to be a rebel, you have to keep up with the times. You can’t be a kind of person that says, “Oh these were my skills in 1980” and then wonder why in 2016 you’re not taking yourself to the next level. Keep up with the times and maybe, even, develop skills that you haven’t had before.”

Learn more about the seven leadership archetypes Lolly discusses in her work, the virtues associated with them and the pitfalls—the leadership gaps we are all susceptible to—by listening on iTunes or in the player below.

Resources Mentioned in the Show and Transcript

Lolly Daskal
Twitter: @lollydaskal

The Leadership Gap: What Gets Between You and Your Greatness

Impostor Syndrome

Carl Jung

Joseph Campbell

Viktor Frankl

Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl

The Undiscovered Self by Carl Jung

The Hero with a Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell

  • Radhika Pillai

    Dear Whitney Johnson, thank you again for another set of inspiring conversations with Lolly Daskal and Stacy London! I am trying to catch up with your podcasts and am sure the rest of them are just as fascinating. Lolly is right that you are great at what you do. What I think you do best is to bring us stories, not of people portraying themselves as high-powered corporate types, but as people who are human and have their own insecurities. They give hope and prove that the best among us keep fighting demons and keep persisting despite our fears. Thanks again.

    • whitneyjohnson

      Thank you @radhikapillai:disqus. I so appreciate this lovely compliment! Glad you enjoyed both Lolly and Stacy. Another podcast will be up tomorrow!